Prime Minister Jigme Y Thinley has labeled Bhutanese refugees as “illegal immigrants” who were lawfully evicted in the early 1990s.
PM Thinley.
In an exclusive interview with 101 East at the Aljazeera, Thinley stated that the Bhutanese refugee issue should never be interpreted in terms of “ethnic cleansing program,” which in his words has been made to understand. He further stated that Bhutan should never be branded as perpetrator of human right’s violation. Stating that the vast majority people in camps are not Bhutanese, Thinley further said that it is wrong to say that they are Bhutanese.”
“People in the camps in Nepal are the victims of humanitarian situations caused by demographic explosion, ecological disaster and economic depreciation,” said Thinley, adding that the eviction of people has been misinterpreted. He also stated that Bhutanese of Nepali-origin entered Bhutan as a result of political agreement with India that enables free movement of Nepalese across India and Bhutan happens to be in side of that population migration route.
The Prime Minister argued that one-fifth of Bhutanese population still consists of ethnic Nepalese origin. “One-fifth of our parliament consists of Nepalese,” said the Prime Minister, adding that the Bhutanese survivors are champions.
According to Thinley, Bhutan is the only country in the world that safeguards people’s happiness and believes that happiness is in the end what matters most.
July 14th, 2010 at 10:29 am
What made Jigme Y thinley to speak??? We always have a soft cornor for Bhutan. She is our motherland. We are born, grown up and educated in there. Cant he keep mum??? Why does he try to make us furious??? Let Bhutan not act that way. The consiquence wont be good.
July 14th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
It is ridiculous to declare “Gross National Happiness” in Bhutan. Mr. Thinley !! where did u see Happiness and good believes inSIDE Bhutan .Inadditions , there are still discrimination against Our Bhutanese nepali speaking Brotherhood .Why you always talkative to show your fake ideology ? Open the pages of Universal Declaration of Human Rights AND GO-THROUGH it rapidly……
July 14th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Humanitarian disasters and ecological disasters hit everyone equally. Unlike the acts of governments, dictators, religious fanatics or ethnic chauvinists, acts of nature or even economics do not discriminate on the basis of political inclinations, culture, ethnicity or skin color.
BUT, Thinley says “People in the camps in Nepal are the victims of humanitarian situations caused by demographic explosion, ecological disaster and economic depreciation.” How did these ‘situations,’ ‘explosions,’ disasters’ and ‘depreciation’ manage to affect ONLY the 100,00 or so ethnic/linguistic/religious minority in southern Bhutan from among a population of more than a billion in the south Asian region?
Contrary to Thinley’s assertions, people of Nepali origin did enter Bhutan because of a political agreement, but NOT with India. The political agreement was with Gorkha, now a part of Nepal. Afterwards, the entry was into a region Bhutan did not effectively control – southern foothills. The people of Nepali origin cleared southern Bhutan and made it habitable long before the Ngalong royalty decided to exert authority.
Bhutanese government issued citizenship documents to all of the current refugees in the late seventies and the early eighties (first time for the entire nation actually), only to evict them through torture and intimidation on the early nineties. Why? ONLY because some among the southern Bhutanese lodged respectful complaints against increasingly discriminatory laws being enacted and demanded greater representation in governance.
So, it is simple: You loved and pampered us as long as we were your tools in the controlled development you were pursuing, the primary focus of which was the political/economic empowerment and advancement of the ruling community (while depriving the southerners and the Sarchhops.) We became a liability when we started demanding some REAL representation in governance. Your solution? – Arrest, imprison, torture, rape, harass, intimidate, confiscate properties and then evict people at gun point.
Mr. Prime Minister: Many of us are not really looking forward to coming back to Bhutan because we know the Ngalong elites and its bought out shenanigans are too hard-hearted and too evil to let us back in. But, records have to be set straight and truths have to be told. Just because we are being resettled in the west should not mean that Bhutan goes scot-free. We will be speaking out truth to your horrendous deeds while you hide behind the false blanket of Shangrila and compassionate Buddhism. You, Thinley, your government and your King are a shame to both these concepts. The idea of Gross National Happiness you pimp around is pretty gross when it is trumpeted around by the very perpetrators of human rights violations and torture. You, among everyone else in the government, have been the greatest defender of the most sadistic exercise Bhutan has ever engaged in, while parading the false credentials of ‘happiness.’ You should be ashamed of yourself. How do you go back home in the evening, look at your children and feel fine with the senseless inhumanity you defend during the day, while telling lies to the whole world all the while?
Sometimes we really like to believe that perhaps you really were not aware of the way our parents were tortured, the way our fellow villagers wept as they were forced out, the way we let our cattles loose while our neighbors dared not bid us goodbyes for fear of being targetted next. But then we know you knew all of it as it happened. So, now, most of just think that you guys who unleashed all of it on us are just evil people and nothing else. Some day, some place, you will pay but we hope your inhumanity dies with you and leaves behind a better generation with which we can patch up differences and return Bhutan to what it was – a beautiful country where we lived in peace, irrespective of what we looked like or what we spoke or who we prayed to. Your generation was too ignorant to see all that, what with being blinded by the godliness you attributed to the King who was all the while plotting at strengthening his own clutch on power. He failed (thus you are the PM now). You too will fail, and we will be in peace even though we will be far away.
July 15th, 2010 at 12:15 am
Mr. Thinley you are absolutely correct the forefathers of Nepali Origin Bhutanese came to Bhutan throuh India from Nepal. Do you know where from your forefather came into Bhutan? Our forefathers came to Bhutan with power to enhance glory of Bhutanese diversification as per the Zhabdrung, but your forefather came to Bhutan as refugees from Tibet.
Try to question to yourself before you blindly say Bhutan is only a country in the world to protect the people’s happiness. Do you know that Bhutan, the same Bhutan is the biggest producer of Refugees in the world? There is no country except Bhutan which has blatantly evicted 20% of the citizens despite their innocency and patriotrism. If the blatant massacare of the citizens with speakless torture, harrsahment, rapes and killing are the indicator of the Gross National Happiness, then I would like to recommend Mr. Thinley as the nominee for the upcomming Noble Peace Prize.
There may be happiness prevail in Bhutan, but that is limitted to the creul royal lords and feudal canibals. Mr. Thinley your allegory of the cave will be soon welread by the plato in the world of out Bhutan Diaspora, so please start making your opinion to defend that. Mr. Thinley, when you are advocatiing for the national happiness in the country, I am seeing a dream !!
A dream where less than 20% of the citizens have the happiness and that has become the National Happiness. A dream where 20% of the citizens are blatantly evicted which laid the fundation of the Gross Nationall Happiness. A dream where absolute power vests in the hand of the autocratic ruler in the 21st century has become the model of democratization in the world. A dream where king tone rule is saved to enlighten the vivid vigors of brutalities to the discendents.
What happens in the dream then??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
The civil wars are inevitable, so deadly !! 20 % of the people will wage war against the 2% of the people and other 78% of the citizens will have kathersis to life. I see Comrade Cheguevera mobilishing Bhutanese, I see Carl Marx leading Bhutanese, I see Mao nurturing Bhutanese, I see Comrade Prachanda patronizing the Bhutanese. The Dream that tag war is bad, the dream that tag revolution is bad, the dream that tag terrorism is bad, But this is the dream that will com in Bhutan very soon, Less than in a decade.
The king fathered terriorism with the turing will empower the Comrade Vikalpa led revolution to unveil the real secne of National Happiness in Bhutan in the comming deacde.
Mr. Thinley, Lt. Dago Tshiring led the fundation of National Happiness evicting 20% of the committed Bhutanese Citizens despite their Patriotism in 1990s. Just after 20 years you hardly can tell what you were told and think what you gonna tell. After twenty years, you may be subdued by the sketches of civil wars, and one like you will be hauling that Bhutan is the only Country in the world that safeguards the People’s Happiness. I will be compelled to write next commentry that the real Bhutan is outside its borders which has the death toll of thousands as the victims of Domestic terriorism.
I wish I didn’t have this dream, I am inferior because this has beem dreamed by the King two decades ago before he beacme the scapegoat of India’s greater impearialism theory.
Mr. thinley, you must feel that Bhutan now is explored with your ettiquettes and peoples sentiments to the world. Think for the sake of truth, before you woodwink the international communities with the contempt of your farce words.
YOUR WORDS WILL BE SAVED IN THE PAGES OF HISTROY, FOR SURE TO WIPE YOUR REPUTATION LATER, SO MIND YOUR WORDS AND GO AHEAD !!
GOODLUCK !!!
July 15th, 2010 at 1:32 am
I hate this man who thinks he is too smart but in fact he is nothing. He is like “Andho mein Kana Raja” a one eyed man is the king among the blinds.He lives in a world of imagination and dream and has little shame to address refugees who are very much Bhutanese like him as “illegal immigrants” simply because he is brainwashed to tell this story by his boss, JSW. He should know that his story of GNH is as hollow as his claim of democracy in Bhutan. He and his king are but Indian puppets. If India refuses to provide money even for a single year he and his king will be on the street. And they will know GNH is nothing but a sad story of total dependence on Indian aid. First learn to stand on your own feet and show Bhutan is truly independent. Your story of illegal immigrant is too outdated as no body will believe it any more, not even people inside Bhutan.
July 15th, 2010 at 3:48 am
so much of bitterness and resentment. This world is a big illusion. Why waste our precious human life. Find hapiness around you. Hapiness and suffering comes together…It is a futile exercise.
July 15th, 2010 at 5:00 am
Very bold responses for the utterly meant remarks. But, they have been told a several times, at several occasions far and wide. The result is that they actually do not mean anything to Bhutan. It knows well what it is, but it has been its tool for defence. This is the only thing Bhutan can stand just in explaining the exodus of the people. And, this is the only thing the world cannot question Bhutan about. And, this is also the only thing that the refugees cannot agree with. And, the only thing that the dissidents have failed to understand Bhutan government is that Bhutan was actually trying to stabkize itself in the region with its ‘One Nation One People’ policy. The only thing that the Nepali people do not know is how to have the royal government feeling safe about Bhutan’s border situaion with India. The only thing that the northeners are feeling threatened with the southeners is that the south was growing economically rapidly, and the educated population of the south was growing the same way as well. Resultantly, the royal government had ever been feeling unsafe with the south.
Now, the refugees are shy to be labelled as ‘illegal-immigrants’ while the royal govenrment is shy to admit cruelty to the people on its part.
So, sadly but truly, the only solution to the 20-year problem is ‘third country resettlements’. However, both the parties to the conflict are not happy: Bhutan government is not happy that the evicted people are becoming rich, while the displaced people are unhappy that their counterparts in the tussle are winning the debate.
So, the solar storm in December 2012 is the final solution to the problem, if it occurs.
July 15th, 2010 at 5:53 am
It is extremely ridiculous and shameful to read and learn what Mr.Prime Minister of Bhutan has stated to the media about a lakh exiled Bhutanese refugees.On behalf of his false statement, I agressively condemn him and his ideologies about the Issue of Bhutanese Refugees in Nepal.What a hell! What a nonesense! He speaks.He has not a bit shame to say so but it is evident to learn that,he is compelled to speak a lie due to pressure from just above because it is consizely understandable that,PM is just having the gun on his shoulder but the trigger is under the control of the king. Mr.Thinley as you said that most of the refugees in Nepal are non-Bhutanese but I comment on your contrary adding that,100 percent people are truely the bonafied citizens of Bhutan.Further,Bhutan is a perpetrator of human rights” violation.Prior to my conception and analysis,Bhutan is playing a magical play to trick the foreign communities,whereby,the autocratic monarch is a producer,PM is a director and all those sly ministers of the cabinet are versatile characters,who all collectively conceived the theme of the story and are now playing on the street occassionally. But be aware,truth can never be hidden,sooner or later the curtain will be removed and you all will be caught up nude.Then just imagine, what will be a consequence?
July 15th, 2010 at 10:34 am
I am a teacher by profession and did M.A. in History, but never read nepalis role in Bhutan history of war n politic untill the year 1950-60.Nanglong,sherchop,Trongsap,Bumthab,Khen,Kurtep,Brokpa,Doya,layap were there where they are living today and played major role for the ONE NATION ONE PEOPLE under the leadership of Kings Wangchucks. All the regional leaders put their seal and sings on 17th December 1907 accepting Sir Ugyen Wangchuck as King.
I have neither read and seen any such seal/sign of nepali leaders having invilved in Bhutan political matter.
The origin of nepalis in Bhutan are from Nepal during 1950-60, they entered Bhutan as road construction labour under GREF (INDIA).
If so called champion of human rights supports about the rights of nepali people, what about the human rights of indegenious people of Bhutan,WHO WILL SUPPORT GENUINE BHUTANESE, WHOS’ FURURE IS UNDER THREAT DUE TO RAPIDLY INCREASING POPULATION OF MIGRANT NEPALIS.WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE BHUTAN AND BHUTANESE PEOPLE BECOMING MONORITY LIKE SIKKIMESE AND SIKKIM.
July 15th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Mr. Deepak !!
I am personally proud of you, because we have one more historians in Bhutan. meanwhile I am very worried that you gonna spoil the history of Bhutan. you have said that you didn’t find the roles of Nepalese origin Bhutanese in the history of Bhutan before 1950s, that compells me to ask you which grade you have in your MA.You must have your MA with out even openning the histroy of Bhutan. Did you study the histroy between 1880s and 1907? Can you prepare the presentation about this period of time?
Mr. Deepak, please waek up and go to read the history about the official migration of Nepali people as Bhutanese citizens from Gorkha Nepal in 1624 AD.
do you know why the official language of Bhutan was Nepali before 1970s? Which was the fisrt mode of communication in Bhutan in your research? In which language the first news paper exist in Bhutan? Which language has the highest percentage of people in the history of Bhuatn? In which language the agreement between the super guru Rimpoche and king of Gorkha, Ram Shah was written? Go ahead and study the letters that the Third King Druk Gyalpo Jigme Dorgi wangchuck had written to the rulers of Sikkim in the history. Go ahead and bring out the truth why Lt. Mashur Chhetri was put to the river Sunkosh being ensacked in 1952 AD. Go ahead and research what percentage of people were Nepali in the conscription of physical labor to the construction of the histroy of Bhutan. Go ahead and study why Mr. Rizal has become the chief of the roayl advisors to King Jigme Singye Wangchuck in 1980s? Go ahead and read the book “Bhutan hijo ra aaja” by historian Mr. Balaram Poudel.
Mr. Deepak, your MA is not sufficient, Please have time to visit Kathmandu. I as one of your welwishers will help you to meet Mr. Indra Adhikari in Kathmandu who will taech more about Bhutan History to you. He is a Journalist as known, an Econimics Student in Master Degree but has many times better knowledge than what you hypocrate lord of Histroy has about Bhutan.
Your words some times cost your reputation when preserved in the history !! You can’t wipe what is written in the history !! Please, think about these matters before you become the mokery of the nontheorizing part of the jigymeism.
July 16th, 2010 at 1:58 am
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July 16th, 2010 at 3:38 am
I am pretty sure Mr. Deepak has earned his MA in Dzongkha from Simtokha. MA in Dzongkha was established just decade back and the syllabus in the MA Dzongkha does not go that far back. So I feel Mr. Deepak wrote what was covered in his MA syllabus. Hopefully this will open his eye to go for real MA in history.
July 16th, 2010 at 4:08 am
I think Mr. Thinley is probably right in his statement. I have recently come across a facebook page where one of the refugee leaders have uploaded his picture ..let me not say what kinda picture, but if you search in facebook and type ‘deo datta’ you will see. you can than interpret his picture…
Have a nice day!
July 16th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Mani dahal is beyond the memory . it means he is a Two and Half Man..
July 16th, 2010 at 10:41 am
There is no point in arguing against persons like Deepak who knows nothing about history of southern Bhutan. He should know Nepali laboureres were recruited to construct roads both from India and Nepal after development plans were launched in 1960s but Bhutanese Nepalis had been living there for centuries before development plans were launched in the districts of Chirang, Samchi, Phuntsholing, Dagana, Samdrupjonkhar and Gayleghphug. There is documentary evidence that some of them attended the coronation of first king Ugyen Wangchhuck with gifts and pledged their loyalty to Bhutanese throne. Sharchhops were living in Tashigang, Mongar, Pemagatshel, Lhuntshi,Shemgang and Tashiyanghsi and Ngalongs in Thimphu, Punakha, Wangdiphodrang, Paro, Haa, Tongsa and Bumthang. Thimphu was opened in late 1960s after Thimphu-Phuntsholing highway was completed. So donot confuse Bhutanese citizens of Nepali origin with Nepalis hired from other places.
July 16th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
I really feel pity for those residing in the Jhapa camps in Nepal seeing their living conditions . it was perhaps the destiny of god for what you have done to our country and you all deserved it very well…may be you never belong to Bhutan and god has made the right decision. we are called Bhutanese and people living in Bhutan are called Drukpas “true son of Bhutan”.
we never humiliated those guys residing in Jhapa camp while their stay in Bhutan. Not only humans born in Bhutan are lucky but also the animals born here in this small Mahayana country is absolutely privileged because everyone is treated equally, Bhutan is the only country in the world that has no racism and where humanitarian rights are observed highly.
In fact those devils posed huge threat to the sovereignty and security of the country in the 90′s. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
As the peaceful resort fails Bhutan finally took arms against those ?????? to secure the security and sovereignty of the country. Bhutan took the measures what every country will take in that situation.
may the sun of peace and happiness shine on the people forever….
“PALDEN DRUKPA GAYLO”
July 16th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
What TrueDrukpa said above is wrong. It’s not God who created the problem for refugees but it is the lust and greed for absolute political power, xenophobic minds of people like Jigme Singye Wangchhuck and Dago Tshering, evil ambition of ethnic domination by one community over others that led to the exodus. He talks of sovereignty but forgets that history is the proof that the sovereignty of Bhutan was sold to British India by first king Ugyen Wangchhuck by signing the treaty of Punakaha in 1910 who handed over security and foreign affairs to the British. He forgets that the presence of the office of Brigadier General of Indian army in the center of Thimphu is not a breach of sovereignty. He forgets continuous plying of Indian army vehicles on Thimphu-Phuntsholing highway creating traffic congestion is not an encroachment over Bhutanese sovereignty. Refugees are no threat to Bhutanese sovereignty, they are not demanding separation but want to exercise their most fundamental rights to return home. And to distort this fact by labelling various allegations against them is but a product of evil and insane mind.
July 17th, 2010 at 1:37 am
Dear catlika,priya and mani,
Just to justify the facts about nepali migrants in Bhutan, I have posted two articles in this forum, but I realize that, it is only for the person/s involved in anti national activities not for people like us who are trying to speak truth.
My post has deleted twice with in few minutes by the moderator. I believe, you can not bully innocent Bhutanese in particular and international community in general any more. Due to wild false allegations made by you , the international community came forward to help you but later reliaze that, infact you are not the genuine citizen of Bhutan.
If you all feel that, you need to read my points,plez tell this guy to respect the media rule and human rights.If you have right to express your feelings through this forum why not me ? I am also victim of circumtances caused by so called anti national activities. I could not get college in Bhutan,I had to study in Darjeeling.
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Thank you for regularly browsing our news portal from Bhutan. As both of your comments were very offensive in nature, we decided not to approve them. We honestly request you to post healthy comments with loyal and civilized language. We discourage destructive comments, which lead to the defamation of one’s personal image. Thank you once again for relying on the information we disseminate.
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July 17th, 2010 at 1:44 am
While, PM. Jigme Y. Thinley’s remarks forced Mr. Hari Acharya to exposee the bitter truth and reality. I think Deepak lack some information and resource to read.
Deepak you may not know there are History Books on Bhutan by, World Known Scholars Such as Michale Aris who was (Once) a Tutor of King Jigme. Read “The Raven Crown”. by late Aris. Another UK based Scholar who is Professor in position has published another book on Bhutan and recently Second Edition is on the market. Find out and See “Un becoming Citizen By Michale Hutt”. Read the Book NIRBASAN” by Amnesty International’s Prisoner OF Conscience Mr T. N.Ri zal. Read “Movement in Exile” a Book by Young Scholor Mr. Christopher Co- authored by Visiting Professor of Harvard University Dr. D.N. S Dhakal. Read the Reaserched article on “The Voice of Refugees” by Australian Citizens Mr. Carl and Ms. Nomee. I feel pitty to see that a teacher with M.A degree has very poor Historical references and fact. Perhaps,you might have read STROY not the History. That too FOLK Story, presented as History. Please be more comprehensive and open. You will see the real world and judge where is Our Beloved Motherland. What present Medieval Mind Set rulers have done.
July 17th, 2010 at 5:54 am
Good comments and post……………..go on ……..final decision may approach one day………..
July 17th, 2010 at 6:05 am
It is very awful to announce the scenery of Happiness in Bhuatn. As, Palden Drukpa Gaylo’s comment was very filthy. Being a human being you can’t says such a sen tence which caused in universal. Think first before you make your speech.Now ,after few years,there are no Bhutanese people in the Camp at Nepal.Your comment is absolutely untrue and shitty.
July 17th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Dear editor,
Thank you for your concern about offencive language,destructive comments and one’s image.It is really nice on your part to respect each other. I offer my apology for using name of few people,but I was compelled to do so by catlika and maini coz they have mentioned their name.
But what action you have taken against the authors who have been using offensive language against me?
Any way I would like to justify the facts mentioned by Catlika as under:-
Guru Rimpoche was/is a great religious personality all over the buddhist world.He visited many countries in the world including Bhutan ,Nepal,India and Tibet.The visit of people from neighboring countries on religious trip was/is very common,therefore, entering Bhutan at that time does not deserve citizen claim.
The agreement between Guru and Gorkha King was purely on personal capacity to promote religion not for political purtpose.More over Guru Rimpoche was not a
Bhutanese citizen.
The use of nepali language as official language before 1970 is true.It was used in some southern part of bhutan coz, large number of nepali migrant were residing there and working for road construction works.The nepali language was used for easy communication with the nepali migrants and make them aware about
the Law of Land and Govt.policy to prevent unlawful activities.
Catlika has mentioned about the presence of nepali during 1624AD,1880-1907AD.I have read many names of Dzongpons/Penlops/Chipons/Debrajas(regional leaders) in the history of war and politic of Bhutan but could not find nepali name,therefore I request Catlika to kindly mention name of few nepali Dzongpons/penlops etc.
????????????? I would like to conclude with a request saying that,plez enough is enough,20 years is enough,where is better future ?Our leaders are divided,they have ego problem. So plez save our mother land from becoming another Sikkim,wherein, indegenious people became minority and finally Kingdom of Sikkim sold to India.
OUR PROBLEM WAS/IS NOTHING, JUST A VESTED INTEREST OF FEW LEADERS AND INNOCENT HAVE BEEN SUFFERING.LIVE & LET US LIVE.
July 17th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
Dear Friend Deepak,
Kujujampo !!
Thank you for your kind justification and I appreciated your contribution to the concerns that I have propagated. You seemed very pretentious in your previous comment that is why you got the tug for tug. But as I read your reply to my concerns you seem a bit ignorant. My friend, there is vast different between stupidity and ignorance. There are lot many stupid individuals who are intellectual in themselves but acting very dim-witted in their presentation. What you have written in your justification seems very appreciating one but you still have lacked some very basic milestones in your justification.
When you read the prehistory of Bhutan, you will definitely find some significant contribution of the Nepalese in Building to what Bhutan is today. One point you approach nasty is you argue that the deal between Guru Rimpochhe and Ram Shah was mere religious, you may be correct to what you have been sermonized but the deal was all the way political and dedicated to the re-modulation of Bhutan to modern Bhutan. Bhutan by then was mere skeleton of what we have today. We have the document preserved in Bhutan, if you have the access to the preserved documents in the royal palace in Bhutan you can read that still. Please, Deepak Ji ! mind your words, it was never a personal deal because they represented their respective country while they had signed the agreement. If you have studied the formative ethics of History, you know it in detail what it means when represented the nations under their rule.
I agree you that Guru Rimpoche was not the citizen of Bhutan because there was no provision of issuing the citizenship document in Bhutan at that time. Do you know even the King Ugen wangchuck didn’t have the citizenship document in his name? Even the kings living today don’t have their citizenship card issued in Bhutan in their names, are they Bhutanese citizen then?
Mr Deepak, you are correct that Nepali Ethnic Bhutanese have mere political representation in Bhutan before 1950s because they were growing and being empowered by the Indian pampered Druk Rulers. When you see Barak Obama in American history 60 years ago, can you call him the American citizen today? But today, he is the president of the world ruling nation not only USA. If Mashur Chettri was not obscured into river in 1952, he would have been ruling Bhutan as one of the countries like Vatican City of the world today, and we would have 10 times better Bhutan than what we have today. If we were not divided we would have one of the deserving Prime ministers in Bhutan than a mere charlatan like Thinley today. One thing you as a historian should understand that the autocratic rulers had very nasty projection for the history, which we can’t find unless the history is over turned. That is why; we have good intellectual figures like you. Now it is our duty to find out what was wrong in the past and we are deviated backwards from our national parade to modernization. Where was the problem and how we can equivocate that so as to sketch our national vision to better build up our nation.
You have said that Nepali Language was the medium of Communication in Bhutan so as to facilitate the communication between laborers and rulers. It was not like that. The truth is the third Druk Gyalpo was a very kind statesman rather than a power centered lust like the Fourth Druk gyalpo. He knew that the vast majority of people were Nepali Speaking in Bhutan, that is why he made Nepali as the official language and he studied it with dedication and commitments and so was done by the later kings including the present child King Gasser, the other reason was Nepali was only language having own script and grammar in Bhutan by that time. Later in 1970s the script and Grammar in the so called NAtional Language was developed with Japanese aid and support. You know one of the critisizing men wrote is his comment that you have done your master in Dzongkha histroy. We know that the master degree syllabus in Dzongkha is not there in Bhutan. And when Rajib Gandi visited Bhutan for 10 days in 1978, he implanted suspicion into the mind of Jigme Singye Wangchuck, the fourth King encapsulating his mind towards the master plan to launch ethnic cleansing from Bhutan. Only after that, the hypothetical minority phobia was developed in Bhutan by India so as to retaliate the Sikkim’s Nepalese Indian Citizen. This is the strategy that India has vested in Bhutan so as to restrict Bhutan in its Grip. Dear Deepak, do you believe that Bhutan is an independent nation today? It neither is never Independent nation today nor was yesterday. The advocacy you have proliferated about the indigenous community in Bhutan was a key that Indian used to lock our sovereignty in its grip. Man, it is the time to weak up and locate where we are ourselves. We are not divided ourselves Mr. Deepak. We don’t have any problem with in ourselves not to mention we don’t have any political, linguistic, religious, ethnic and other problems by ourselves. So called present crisis are all denominated by India taking the weak stand of our power lust forth King. The reason behind that was to retaliate Sikkim or Darjeeling, but we were childish and failed to have over jawed the Indian harassments by our ruler because he was mad in his lust to keep power safe. Please read King Jigme’s appeal and concerns discussed with the Dimond king, a ULFA leader while his meeting with the king. you can go the tehalka.com and read ULFA hitmna’s dairy published there and you will see how much the king was worried about India’s intervention to Bhutan’s soverenginity. We know our reputed intellectual minds like Mr. Deepak are brainwashed inside Bhutan if not brain drained to exile or to the abroad in various tactics and treacheries. What have been done to Bhutan in the past three decades are very awkward in itself and very embarrassing to our history , my dear friend.
Dear friend Deepak! I am very happy that you have analyzed enough is enough, 20 years is enough. Thank you very much for your intact justification in favor of our brotherhood and patriotism. This privilege will help us make our land a safer heaven in the future. One thing very open truth is we are never happy to be out border Bhutanese Citizen that will prove in the future that Real Bhutan exists outside its border walls. We want to come to Bhutan as soon as the situation improves in Bhutan. And we will make our mother land as one of the safest destination to Heaven through unity, understanding, brotherhood, democracy, human rights, and other all components of our national happiness through national contentiousness.
Let me cite our major problems responsible in diving our unity away that centers to the royal lords and favors to our Imperialist neighbor, India.
1. Our king has become the puppet of Indian roadmap to make Bhutan another Sikkim. If the present problem is solved through the national reconciliation, we will save Bhutan from Sikkimization to India. If we fail to reconcile as soon as possible India might have been planning to lead next batch of eviction from Bhutan, Other communities like Sarchops including additional Nepali origin Bhutanese Nationals will be the victims of that treachery. As the result of that civil wars starts in Bhutan which will then empower India to overrule our independency and sovereignty that she has maintained at the background today.
How can we work together so that we will stand together with unity, brotherhood, understanding to save our motherland from external aggregation? Mr. Deepak let us start to think in these grounds!!
What I think is, we should work for the national reconciliation with the citizens outside Bhutan so that we can collectively exert our intellectuality to build Modern Bhutan as one of the most powerful nations to garner satisfaction to the citizens.
2. The other problem is our leaders are self leaders. They become leader by themselves; they lead themselves and for just themselves. By reading your justification, I can say that you know our leaders, who they were? What they did? And what they have become today? For me we had a good leader, he died prematurely and the other is not yet born in the land of Bhutan.
Dear friend Deepak!! We need a good leader like the third Druk Gyalpo. All this present group of selfish and egoistic so called self leaders is substitutive to one good leader for the nation. Please, let us start to search our leader who will work for the nation and citizen. S/he may be in Bhutan or outside Bhutan now, let us start to work today, and we may be able to find our leader after 10 years. Then we will have no worry to struggle so as to save Bhutan from threats and grips. Otherwise chances are there, you guys who are boosting about Bhutanese Citizen when we folks are weeping for the same will together become Indian Citizens in the future.
3. Whatever we have been hoodwinking to the world are all farce and fraud, a kind of political scam to the citizens and deception to the nation Bhutan. The GNH being proposed today is a policy to bury the deadlock of the in Bhutan and out Bhutan citizen crisis. Until and unless we end up with national reconciliation with out-Bhutan citizens we will never have any happiness in Bhutan. Instead we will have the bitter episodes of Civil wars in Bhutan. My concern is: My dear friend Deepak! Are we ready to hold Guns to shoot each other in the name our king’s philosophy so as to engrave our brotherhood and intellectuality??? If we are not aware of what has been done against us, you and I will be carrying guns to shoot each other and we will bury our brotherhood we have had since time immemorial in Bhutan. We have not lost much still; let us not wait to be what we were yesterday and starts build our Motherland in the safest mode.
Thank you for bearing optimistic mood with me in this discussion. You are a great friend of Mine.
“Long Live my friend Deepak Ji”
AAp hamara ek achha dost hae !
dosti ke salam karo !!
Dosh ka enkallap jindabad !!
!!! Hamara Bhutan Jindabad !!!
July 18th, 2010 at 5:25 am
Dear editor,
Once again thank U for not deleting my mail.But I fear that,this forum is not for healthy discussion and you r failing to perform your duty. The example is the authors like Catlika,Priya,Dragonfire & Mani has used many offencive language against our Kings,PM and the officials .
NOW I REALIZED THAT THIS FORUM IS A PART OF ANTI NATIONAL CAPMAIGN TO GAIN SUPPORTS FORM THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY AND BRAINWASHED OUR YOUTHS WHO DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT nepali problem with Bhutan.
Dear catlika ,
you have not replied answers to my question, I feel that, editor will not allow me to use the languages you all are allowed to use.so I would like to put forward few question again,plez do send reply.What you have wrote is story not the history.
I have read the names of many Dzongpons/penlops in the history of Bhutan,but could not find name of nepali,plez do tell me the name of nepali leaders.
If our friends in Japa consider themselves genuine Bhutanese,why they brunt down our national dress ?why they destroyed schools/health facitity and bridges at the villages in Bhutan ? Why they kidnapped and killed fellow citizen branding as Bhutay Ko chamcha(Drukpas supporters) ?
Why you all do not respect Tsa-Wa-Sum (King-Country & People).We have many caste and communities in Bhutan with different languages and dresses,but why only the nepali refused to wear ou national dress and went against follow the Driglamnamza(tradition & culture)?
Why only nepali were against the ONE NATION ,ONE PEOPLE ,policy?
You must be confussed between Zamdrung Nawang Namgyel and Guru Rimpoche, Guru had no any political role in Bhutan.His presence were every where in the buddhist dominated Countries, including china,Mongaila,Tiwan,japan.Ofcourse,many religious scholars and devotees from nepal/tibet/Bhutan visited many other countries accompanying Guru Rimpoche. Do you know Guru Rimpoche had many Khanduom(Wife) and one of them from nepal Royal family.
You have mentioned that, there were no system of citizenship documents during Guru’s visit and even our king does not possess citizen documents.It it not wise to compare people like us and leaders. Plez, note that, an agreement sealed and
signed by the Deb rajas/Dzongpons/Penlops (regional leaders) on 17th Dec. 1907 is one of the testmony of fact supporting King Wangchuck Dinesty as King of Bhutan.So it is more than citizen certificate in favour of King.
Why I and my family do not trust so called self styled nepali leaders ?,coz they work for vested interest,they failed to give us better future during the past 20 years. No-1 cunning leaders settled down out side camps doing own business,No-2 cunning acting as self styled leaders and enjoying refugee fund,No-3 cunning people finally leaving for third countries and….poor guys are suffering in the camps.
So my request is plez come up with facts and healthy discussions, we are already divided in thoughts and this forum may be watching around globe, so stopped making joker to each other. During the past 20 years, international community has learnt about the facts of nepali problem with Bhutan and no more interested in this matter.
My uncle was brutally killed by anti national people brandsing as Bhutay ko chamcha during 1990 .
July 18th, 2010 at 6:59 am
Mr. thinley you have no right to tell that only refugee are illegal immigrants . First off all you must see your forefather from where they come to our land .If iam not mistake your father enter Bhutan from BOmdila Arunachal pardesh. still you have your relatives in Arunachal pardesh. Dear thinley keep it in your mind that if real democracy will prevail in Bhutan i will be a person to make you quit Bhutan.
July 18th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Deepak who is definitely an advocate for the Bhutanese government should know refugees are not anti-national but more national than Thinley or his kings. Those who formulated the retrospective citizenship act of 1985 and master minded 1988 census resulting in the refugee making are truly anti-nationals because it is they who were responsible in destroying peaceful Bhutan on racial and ethnic grounds. The Nepali speaking Bhutanese were simply doing what they need to do when their citizenship rights were being violated arbitrarily. They were the true Bhutanese and sons of the soil who had the guts and determination to challenge the most notorious and brutal regime in the world. It is no crime to oppose a government which violates one’s rights and freedoms. Those who sold out Bhutan’s water resources in last two decades jeopardizing country’s fragils echo system and environment are anti-nationals. Those who have grown rich,powerful and lived in lurury in Thimphu at the cost of simple and illiterate Bhutanese masses are anti-nationals. Those who have allowed foreign forces on the Bhutanese soil are anti-nationals. Those who continue to cheat the Bhutanese masses on false promises and hopes are anti-nationals.
July 18th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
Chhhh..Chhh…I feel pity on this Thinley. While I found some of the comments above enlightening as far as the history goes, I refrain from arguing with him. Sometimes, I avoid dull heads for they really get in to my nerves! . The way he commented surely reflects that he has some bookish knowledge that too of some cheap definitions. Not the least, Thinley is learning BUT if his preparation goes this way, I am afraid, he will land up below 35 %.
July 19th, 2010 at 6:38 am
Hello All Colleagues,
I may not be perfect but we fail to understand the steps taken by Bhutanese PM. Why we are making fuss of one interview he gave in the Middle Eastern media? He has done more than this interview in 1994 through his book, “Bhutan A Kingdom under Beseize” in the international platform, now, he is merely repeating his old mantra.
Until now, we are emotionally bashing among ourselves about this interview. I think he probably did this to wake up us.
Instead of all the big voices here in BNS, the ideal thing to do is write as many of these comments to the media who hosted the interview and explain the fact-we fail to do this since we have to resource. Next, why cannot we seek the interview in the same channel or the rival channel in the same region.
Our policy should be “tit for tat, if there is interview in one channel, our people in the reason should pick up another channel.
Expressing our own 20 year old frustration here will be less effective or will have no effect at all.
If we can, let us follow this, if not, we only waste time and emotions.. or unless we provide the interview to all the MPs of our host countries, VIPs and settlement providers and diplomats, so they are on loop for next time on what the PM may say.
I may be wrong but this is What I think may be worth exploring.
Parsu
July 19th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Those of us who watched Jigme Thinley’s interview know he is not convincing at all, he choses words cautiously as to not get caught for lying, his face says it all. The Editor of Bhutan Observer was very uncomfortable when cornered by the reporter regarding Bhutanese refugees,he said we left Bhutan volunteerily, at one point he says” this is what we have been led to believe by the Government”, truth came out without him realising. Poor fellow must be in trouble already.
TrueDukpa,everybody know that you guys came from Tibet, the native people of Bhutan are “Doyas, Totas from Samchi and Mangdips from Tongsa”, who are not recognised by the Bhutan Govt. and left to fend for themselves. They are the most illiterate and backward people of Bhutan, Govt. has done nothing to uplift them. Truedrukpa, you are as immigrants as your Lhotshampa brothers and sisters. You don’t become a true son of Bhutan Just because your forefathers immigrated to Bhutan earlier than Lhotshampas. I feel sorry for you Drukpas, you guys think other people don’t have access to information on Bhutan. There are tons of information about Shabdrung, Drukpas, Lhotshampas on the internet.
July 20th, 2010 at 12:42 am
Dear meera,
I have read names of many Dzongpons/Penlops/chipons/Deb rajas(regional leaders)representetingSherchop,Haap,Parop,Tongsap,Doya,Brokpa,Layap,Khen,Kurtuep,Bunthap,Wangduep,Yang-tshep,Dagap in the history of war and politic in Bhutan before 17th
December 1907.
Can you please name few nepali leaders in the history of war and politic in Bhutan ?
Yes, I agree that, few nepali people entered Bhutan during the era of Zabdrung
Nawang Namyel from nepal to work for statue making and ofcourse porters of British Missions.
July 20th, 2010 at 5:30 am
Dear all,
Let me quote “People in the camps in Nepal are the victims of humanitarian situations caused by demographic explosion, ecological disaster and economic depreciation,” said the PM of Bhutan. Perhaps you guys could in all your sense of fairness (if you have) think for a while whay he said what he said. As a leader of a sovereign country, he has the make clear his government’s stand on the so-called refugee issue. But you guys here did not like what he said. Thats fine. You dont like what he said but the Bhutanese people are proud of their elected PM who could articulate the feelings of the Bhutanese people. Mr. Parsu referred to the Bhutanese PMs book titled ““Bhutan A Kingdom under Beseige”. I think the book was well written. It was not like books written by so-called refugee leaders wherein facts were twisted. The book analyses the threats faced by a sovereign country due to demographic explosion.
July 20th, 2010 at 5:59 am
Deepak, first of all , there is no need to use a fake name in this forum.
What Bhutan you are talking about before 1907 ???? Bhutan came into being in 1907. Before that there were warlords fighting among themselves claiming particular area of land.
People of Nepalese origin was invited by the first king of Bhutan to settle down in southern boarder for two reasons; firstly, to develop the wilderness into productive land so your King could collect revenue from the land which they did, our people still have Tax receipts from 1915. Can any Drukpa come up with Tax receipt from that period. We can send those receipts to display in National museum of Bhutan in future. Secondly, to guard the boarder from the British occupation. Where were your Drukpas then ??? they could have settled there and guarded the boarder. Can you tell me if there were any Drukpa settled in southern Bhutan in early 1900s ???. The first Drukpas we saw in southern Bhutan were personnels from Bhutan Police in 1960s. First King of Bhutan had given letters with his official seal to Garjaman Gurung of Samchi and Om Pradhan’s great grand father of Neoli with a permission to settle the people of Nepalese origin in Southern Bhutan, there are names of places too where they could be settled. Don’t use the history for your convenience.
July 21st, 2010 at 12:15 am
Let’s stop arguing. Let’s do something concrete to hold Bhutanese government responsible for human rights violations in southern Bhutanese during 1980-90s. Let them face the UN or internationasl tribunals and 100,000 Lhotshampas living in different countries of the world can be the witness. Those of you in Europe can file a case in european court, those in US can file a case of human rights violation and discrimination Bhutan regime as defendant and also Bhutan regime supported terrosist organization, those of you in Australia can consult lawyers, let’s not leave these people go unpunished. It’s too much of talking and we are doing nothing to hold these violators of human rights accountable for destroying southern Bhutan and its original inhabitants. Let’s demand from the world community if Bhutanese regime can be spared from international justice system. Let’s seek a legal resolution. Forget about who is Deepak. He is nothing. But make sure the Bhtanese rulers are held responsible within the UN and international laws on human rights. They must be punished and held accountable for killings, torture, rape, intimidation, forcible seizure of properties and eviction of southern Bhutanese. Our souls will not rest in peace until they are punished for what they did to southern Bhutanese and Jigmi Thinley and his Kings must be brought to face the law in USA, Europe and in any other country which upholds the fundamental rights and freedoms of any people anywhere in the world.
July 21st, 2010 at 1:21 am
I am born in Chirang now Tsirang 68 years ago.My father was also born in Chirang in 1905 in the land that I am possessing now and passed away 20 years ago.My father’s birth shows that we were here before the birth of Wangchuk Dynasty in Bhutan. During my child wood(60 years ago)I saw nepali speaking old villagers who used to tell that they have already spent 40 yrs. 35 yrs. in the same village where I am now.And during the period 1990,91 and 92 I saw the children and grand children of those old people being uprooted including my elder brother and other relatives.Their properties like cattle, food grains from the granaries,houses,land,cardamom are looted by the army and police.They were beaten ,forced to sign a form ,evicted from their birth place and propagated through out the world that they left Bhutan on their own will.They also were termed as terrorists by the demonic RGOB where in reality the govt. was the
terrorist.
I also know that Dharma Raj Gurung and Ratna Bahadur Tamang were killed by the then Royal govt.in Damphu Jr.High School in 1991.During those days the main architects of such crime against the humanity were the present prime minister of Bhutan-Jigme Y Thinley,The then army chief Lam Dorje,Home minister Dago Tshering,Present police chief,present army chief,present chief justice, the then Dzongdas of southern districts and the forth king as the chief commander.
Now I see my new neighbours who are forced to occupy the land and houses of my old neighbours who are there in the refugee camps in Nepal and many in the Western countries. And I feel sorry and sad seeing the pathetic condition of the “Justice”in the land of forced GNH.
There fore,I am sure “Deepak” who is writing all none sense here is a murderer of the history paid by the RGOB.And the other thing is,he is not a Bhutanese.In his mentally retarded writing, he has never tried to mention any thing about the early 1900s and on wards inhabitants of the six southern dzongkhags.As a self proclaimed/declared hypocrite historian, whom the world has never seen before and will not see, has one question mainly_tell me the names of a few Nepali leaders in the history of war and politics of Bhutan.But he never thinks that the nepali speaking bhutanese were never interested in civil war and, in politics they were not at all given chance.In addition to this,the true history of the nepali speaking bhutanese is never revealed but buried by the previous govts. and the predecessors of “Deepak” like historians.
Now one thing “Deepak”,where is your origin? Tibet or Arunachal Pradesh like that of JS Wangchuk and Jigme Y Thinley? For your information “deepak”, there are three main groups of ethnic migrants in Bhutan.
1.Tshangla speakers in eastern Bhutan-they originally are from Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh and near by areas and some from Tibet.
2.Dzongkha, one of the 19 Tibetan dialects speakers in northern Bhutan are from Tibet and some from Sikkim.
3.Nepali speakers in southern Bhutan are originally from Nepal.
July 21st, 2010 at 2:28 am
Hi meera,
Finally you have accepted that,nepali migrated into Bhutan to clear the jungle,construct the roads and finally settled down in southern part of Bhutan.Your statement clearly says that,nepalis are not indegenous people of
Bhutan.
You have mentioned that,you saw Drukpas in souhtern Bhutan in 1960 only i.e was also Police personnels.May be true,coz large number of nepali migrant labourer came into Bhutan during 1960 to work for road construction and you must be family of one of them .
You claim that,nepali guarded Bhutan boarder in south against British occupation.
We drukpas fought war with British troops many times in southern border before 1907.Please, mention name of few commanders/leaders of nepali origian in the history of war between British and Bhutan.
Therefore,I would say,nepali migrated into Bhutan for job.Govt. provided them free education,free health,free land (sukumbasi) etc.But good gesture of Royal govt. took as weakness of Bhutanese Govt. by the nepali.They undermined the leadership,they underestimated the capability of Bhutanese leaders.Finally ,like old says goes”AWOLA DEDA DOURALO NEELNAY VAYOOO”.(offering one finger but wanna take solid hand)
July 21st, 2010 at 2:51 am
There is no reason to fight over something that will not yield anything. In a few years from now all refugees will be resettled in third country -thousands of miles away. They will never get to see Bhutan again. The noice they are making around the world right now will eventually fade away with time; it will be only for couple of years -say until the end of first generation abroad. The younger or emerging generations will never pick on what their parents are doing right now for several reasons:
1. They will never have emotional attachment to Bhutan; therefore, will not have interest in Bhutan
2. They will never have time to think negative of other countries. They will be engaged in their professional life and think more about providing for their family
3. Since they will be growing in a more developed countries their mentality or the thought process will be different from their parents and people who grew up in the camps in Nepal
4.The environment they live in will teach them positive thinking about politics in oppose to dirty politics that their parents and other refugees have learnt from Nepal
5. They will live in a country where they will be bound by the law in oppose to lawless Nepal their parents and other refugees lived in
6. They will never be issued visa to visit Bhutan unless they are reborn with a different look -no matter what country’s citizen they become of.
Given all these facts, Bhutan is in a very comfortable stand. And, always remember, politics is a number game. Drukpas comprising of 90% of Bhutan’s population gives another reason for Bhutan to give damn to noice these refugees make around the globe.
Peace out!
July 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Hey Deepak/Dorji,we never claimed that we are indegenous people of Bhutan, we have always maintained that we are people of Nepalese ethnicity. You are stupid to make a false statement like that. Actually, you Drukpas are claiming to be indegenous people of Bhutan while brushing off Doyas, Totas and Mongdips.
It is no point talking to a person like you who destort the facts to suit your purpose.
July 21st, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Here is a blog about the refugee issue with many articles.
http://bhutanstory.blogspot.com/
July 21st, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Jigme Y Thinley in collaboration with Jigme Singey alongwith some chauvinist drukpas has committed a serious international crime of zenocide for which his future generation will have to pay with a harsh and bitter situation when Bhutanese in American, European and the Australian colour will label him an “axis of evil”. The Bhutanese must keep the memories alive in any form.
July 21st, 2010 at 7:12 pm
I would like to add yet another comment to this poor creature “true Drukpa” to remind him that he should remember it is more important that a human being should be privileged to remain a true human being and not like him who is actually living a four footed animal’s life being interfered in every walk of his life by the stooges of his Master – Jigme Singye. our people in the camps are much more privileged to see a better world outside in line with the noble and broad world community. Don’t worry, your territorial perimeter is not something which will remain isolated for a long time. You cannot even take breath if the world community does not spit on you.
July 21st, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Lotus Flower please read the recent human history where dictators were always found guilty and punished for crime against humanity and gross human rights abuses in UN tribunals and in courts of civilized and democratic countries. We will raise our voice so effectively and so loudly in every part of the world where refugees will be resettled that the international community will be forced to launch an international inquiry into crimes against humanity and human rights violations during 1980s and 1990s.It’s only a matter of time before all criminals mentioned above by Tsiranghpas are brought to justice. And Lhotshampas and their future generations will never rest no matter where they are but will seek justice to ensure violators of human rights in Bhutan are exposed and punished. Propaganda by persons like Jigmi Thinley can’t stand against truth and truth will always win. No body should ever try to tell us history of Bhutan which is written as per the directives and orders of rulers who never permitted freedom of speech, expression, media and print in Bhutan. Even after so called democracy in Bhutan was introduced people are still afraid and the most dreaded and draconian law of TsaWaSum still is in force. Unless this law is abolished Bhutanese people will always be in royal chains and a few near to royalty will continue to rule at the cost of poor and oppressed people. There will be no TRUE FREEDOM in the land of Buddha and peace.
July 22nd, 2010 at 4:07 am
Dear meera,Tsirangpa,shaym,Raju,Dragonfire,
It seems that , you all are a new generation guys bron after 1990.Your contents are hearsays not the history and story.
Meera.. you does not know who is neolee babu ?You said Om Pardhan’s great grand father…ha ha ha…plez..note that he was Om Pardhan’s father and his presence was visiable only during 1960.
Tsirangpa…you have mentioned one side of the story.so plez read the another side .
The destroying of schools/Health facilities/Bridges and kidnapping of fellow citizen and killing ,branding as Bhotay Ko chamcha(Drukpas supporters) in the villages in Bhutan by the group of vested interest so called nepali leaders.
To save the public properties like schools/hospitals/bridges and lives of innocent villagers,the royal Govt. was compelled to called Army/Police.The situation was out of control as nepalis were armed with ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
They brunt down our national dress,refused to follow tradition and culture….DECLINED TO accept ONE PEOPLE ONE NATION POLICY.Although there were/are many caste with different language and dress in Bhutan,WHY only nepali refused accept it?
Regarding Origin of our King and PM family ….plez read history of
Bhutan……their great..great grand fathers fought many wars ,they were land lords,leaders before 1907.
July 23rd, 2010 at 5:22 am
Deepak, so, you guys have four Queen Mothers ??? One King has four biological mothers. At least give respect to the real biological Mother of the King, this is how Bhutan thinks they can fool their fellow Bhutanese and rest of World as well.
Do you guys even know how much perks and allowances your Royal Family get, how much does the Govt. spend on maintenance of the Royalties??? Can a counrty like Bhutan who is heavily dependent on foreign aid and donations to meet the Govt. and development needs afford to spend a huge amount on maintaining a large number of Royalties ??? Four Queens, 12 sons and daughters of your King, when they are married their spouses and children will be entitled for the same maintenance allowance as other Royalties. Pretty soon Bhutan will have hard time keeping track of royalties which will be well over hundred. Good Luck with that !!! I suppose you can vouch that foreign donation is well spent.
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
We should stop spending money on royal family. Every body must work and not live a luxurious life on the cost of others. We should spend money on uplifting the lives of poor Bhutanese people and stop wasting on royal expenses. We have already spent too much now let’s put a halt to it. Bhutanese people need not fear the royals now because their rights and freedoms are guaranteed by the constitution. It is no need to bow before any one. It is no culture but slavery. In a democracy people need not fear if they do not bow before any one. We must practice true liberty and need not fear no body in Bhutan. No body bows before any one in USA and they are the most powerful country and most developed. A culture should aim to liberate people not to put them in chains.
July 24th, 2010 at 4:01 am
Meera,
you are shame to called Bhutan as your mother land,you all should called opportunities,not the son/daughter of soil.
We genuine lhotshams are still living in Bhutan with equal rights and previlages provided by Govt. you can see lhotshams every where,. We have lhotsham ministers,lhotsham businessman/women,lhotsham doctors/engineers.We are equally treated by the Royal Govt. of Bhutan and fellow citizens.
WE WERE/ARE GENUINE (ALTHOUGH NOT INDIGENOUS) CITIZEN OF BHUTAN,THAT’S WHY WE DECIDED NOT TO LEAVE BHUTAN DURING ANTI NATIONAL PROBLEM CREATED BY HANDFUL OF SELF STYLE LEADERS FOR THEIR VESTED INTEREST.
You are behavibg like mad dog,trying to bite every body on the way.do not rty to bully innocent people .
July 24th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Hey Deepak, this is the truth about your Royalty, you guys are in denial. You know know the gap between the haves and have nots are widening in Bhutan. Some people in Kheng and East don’t have a proper meal a day while your Royalty, Ministers and Rich people in Thimphu eat imported food from Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia. Keep bowing to these people to preserve your feudal culture. Bowing to these people is feudalism not culture, it was opposed by the people in power. This is the very reason why there was a revolution in China which led to Communism. It is evident from the comments in Bhutan Times forum that majority of Bhutanese are against the feudal system.People are not happy that money and power is in a small group of people who are connected to either Royals or a circle of a small powerful people.
July 24th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
I mean “it was imposed by the people in power”
July 24th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Deepak where is your equal rights? Do they allow you to read and write Nepali language in southern Bhutan schools? They have made Dzongkha compulsory but banned teaching of Nepali. They tried to destroy a culture, language and identity of Lhotshampas and you still speak on their behalf. If Lhotshampa dress,language, culture and tradition were always accepted in Bhutanese history and never considered a threat but part of Bhutanese national culture why on earth it was basnned in 1980s? I want to ask this question to your king Jigme Singye Wangchhuck. What made him reverse all the policies introduced by his late father Jigme Dorji Wangchhuck who always considered Lhotshampa culture, language and identity as an integral part of Bhutan. Stop blaming Lhotshampas and calling them anti-national blame your king who actually is an anti-national who started anti-Lhotshampas policies. And you want us to keep quiet like a dumb animal when your culture, language and identity are being destroyed because Jigme Singye Wangchhuck thinks and believes this is no good for Bhutan. He is absolutely wrong and his policies are destructive for Bhutan. Lhotshampas must be treated with respect and not as second class citizens. The Lhotshampa ministers are but puppets who can do nothing. They cannot open their mouths in support of their own language and culture. What you can expect from them. They call themselves as the humble servants of RGOB. In a democracy every body is free and equal, no body is no servant to no one. You are born free and democracy ensures and guarantees that right to you as a free individual and if a democracy can not ensure and protect that then it is no real democracy, it is just a sham and an insult to democracy and its cherished principles of equality, freedom and liberty. I hope this answers your questions.
July 25th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Dear meera,
Really nice to meet you again and again,thank you for shareing your thoughts, but I realized that, you are misguided youth of mordern world.You have very less knowledge about the politic.
Any way….I quote few nepali saying to reply you.”JAS..LAY MO..HA KAD..TSHA TAS.
LAY..HAATH CHAT..TSHA”So it is happening all over world,the boss is always right.
In the search of better future you are suffering in refugee camp in nepal for the past 20 years.
With the dream of better NEPAL,our innocent nepali friends have been suffering with killings/lootings/kidnappings and loss of properties for the past 10-15
years.”SHAGARMATHA KEENA ROYUO, NEPALI..LAY, NEPALI..LAI KEENA MA..RUO ?”Have you observed any positive changes for the majority nepali citizens during the
rule of Communist Govt of Nepal?In place of better future..political situation in Nepal is becoming bad from worst every day.
Our problem and Nepal problem was created by handful of self style leaders for
their vested interest, nothing more.we poor are not going to get any thing.
So..I conclude here with one more saying”KAK LAY KAN LA.GEO VANDA..MA AKASH MA HAIR..DAI NAA..KUDA,YO NAA..VULA..KAK AKASH MA TSHA ANEE TAPAI ZAMIN..MA, AKASH MA HAIR..DAI KUDDHA KHADAL MAA PASSLA”
PAIHLA..KAN TSHAMA,KAN TSHA..KI..TSHAINA ANEE..AGADARI–PADSHARI–DAIYA–BAIYA HEERA KAK TO PACHI DOURNAY BATOO RAMROO TSHA KI TSHAINA”(Crow has taken away your ear..do not blindly run after the crow you may land in a big gorge and may not be able to come out for ever. remember crow is flying in the sky and you are at land. Firstly check your ear, then see front–Back–Left– and right and ensure that way you are supposed to run after crow is safe”
Nothing more..it happened and it has been happening to the innocent people all over world in the hand of self style leaders.
So having discussion between you and me does not bring any positive changes in our future,except loss of money for this internet service.
So good bye…lood luck…
July 25th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
Meera,
There are haves and have nots everywhere, even in the richest nations. But you must realize that Bhutan of today is quite different from 20 years ago. If you are referring ‘Kheng’ and ‘East’ not having enough food to eat 20 years ago, than it is not a good recipe for acuracy. Bhutan has developed immensely over the last two decades.
It is good to sometimes think positively. Development does not come at once in all places at the same time. Some times people choose to not bring development in their villages, to protect and preserve their native culture. In American state of Arizona, native Indians chose to live life in their old traditional way. They still drink water from the pond, still use lamps to light their house, use traditional toilets…It’s not that the US government did not afford to bring development in this place but because the Indians chose to live their life that way.
It is true that people are expressing their grievances through the use of media. With internet and TV coming to Bhutan, the social environment has certainly changed. However, a few disgruntle people cannot change the whole nation. Your argument that people are not happy in Bhutan does not hold any water. Please ‘google’ in the internet and find out that Bhutan stood 8th and 13th happiest nations in the WORLD in a survey conducted by two renowned independent research institutions. Please learn to appreciate what others have achieved.
Note:
If you are seeing comments in Bhutan Times it is because we have some leftover family members of refugees who disguise themselves as genuine Bhutanse who are genuinely concern but it is not “majority” as you claim in your post.
July 27th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Lotus flower please don’t brag about level of happiness in Bhutan, you are being too unfair to poor and deprived Bhutanese people. Please be truthful. You are trying to give the impression as if every body, every family in every part of Bhutan is happy but that is very very untrue. Do you know how many people in Bhutan donot have a means of living? Do you know how many Bhutanese do not own any businesses or lands or have a job? Do you know how many Bhutanese are leaving the country for greener pastures abroad becasue there are no jobs, no income and no future in Bhutan. You can meet Bhutanese almost at every street of New York doing lowly jobs from as far as Mera Sakten. You can’t compare Bhutan with the happiest countries like Denmark, Sweden or others. They are self sustaining economies but Bhutan a totally dependent country on India which even finances its military and police forget about meeting other expenses. Can Bhutan survive without Indian aid, grants and loans? I want to know the answer from you since you brag so much about happiness. True happiness should be measured in terms of economic and political sovereignty and achievement of economic self reliance by a country and not that you go to New Delhi at the start of every budget and beg for money. And you want to believe the world that you are the happiest country. May be the royals are happy, lyonpos and dashos are happy and all those with government jobs and contracts awarded by government are happy but not every Bhutanese. I want to see Bhutan as the happiest country in true terms but not as a hollow propaganda ploy by government whereas the reality is totally different. The truth : Bhutan is totally dependent on foreign aid particularly from India (99%) and it is being misused and abused for the luxurious lives of royals, lyonpos, dashos and those close to power and the rest of the country lives on poverty, illiteracy, backwardness, superstitions,disease and are made to believe king is above humans and whatever poverty, disease and backwardness they have is because of thier past karma. It is not true. America is big and powerful not because of its people’s past karma but because of their hard work and the respect for individual freedom and liberty. You cannot achieve happiness in a feudal and dependent society.
August 2nd, 2010 at 2:07 am
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4587861&id=507573606&ref=mf#!/photo.php?pid=4587861&id=507573606&ref=mf&fbid=421821303606
Nepal Violates UN Gentleman’s agreement and deports Tibetan refugees to China
August 4th, 2010 at 6:56 am
In about next two years, all refugees camps in Nepal will be emptied, and almost every Bhutanese refugee will be gone to USA or other countries. That will bring an end to ongoing hostility between Bhutanese Government and Bhutanese refugees living in camps in Nepal.
I hope that day comes soon and both parties will forgive eachother. World today, needs peace, not hatred, killing and violance.
August 4th, 2010 at 7:08 am
Lotus Flower wrote, ” Bhutanese refugees resettled in USA and other countries will never be issued visas to visit Bhutan”. I disagree with that statement, because I know for the fact that all poor countries love to welcome US citizens because visiting US citizens bring US Dollars with them to spend in their countries. Bhutan is one of the poorest countries in the world, and I think the Government of Bhutan,eventually will allow US citizens of Nepal/ Bhutan origin, in its efforts to improve its financial shape, and economy.
At present, US citizens are allowed to visit Bhutan, but they are not allowed to walk around freely in Bhutan. A guide must be with them all the times.
August 4th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Shahid, you need to update your knowledge about Bhutan’s development and it’s economy. Poor country is considered when country’s GNI is less than $400 (like that of Nepal) Bhutan’s GNI rose immensely; it is around $3000 as per the latest UN report.
I agree that one of Bhutan’s source of income is from tourism. But it’s policy -low volume high value -is intact. Bhutan definitely need more tourists coming in but not Rizals, Adhikaris, Timisina, sharmas or the likes. No matter what country’s citizens you become, your mentality will still be the same.
August 24th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
“I have read names of many Dzongpons/Penlops/chipons/Deb rajas(regional leaders)representetingSherchop,Haap,Parop,Tongsap,Doya,Brokpa,Layap,Khen,Kurtuep,Bunthap,Wangduep,Yang-tshep,Dagap in the history of war and politic in Bhutan before 17th
December 1907.
Can you please name few nepali leaders in the history of war and politic in Bhutan ?
Yes, I agree that, few nepali people entered Bhutan during the era of Zabdrung
Nawang Namyel from nepal to work for statue making and ofcourse porters of British Missions.”
YES PLEASE NAME A FEW LEADERS OR PROMINENT PEOPLE FROM THE SOUTH IF YOU WERE HERE CENTURIES AGO…
August 24th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
This is to Mr. Deepak! Mr. Deepak, I read some of your valued comments and could not remain unheeded. First of all, I suggest you should change your name itself. It should be something like Dorji, something that starts with the letter D as may be most aptly put by some Nepali astrologer but something which has no relation with Nepali culture and Hindu religion! You are so damn against it so why you relate yourself in it even by your name!!
First of all, by being against the Bhutanese refugees in the camps and recently resettled Bhutanese, you are against social and cultural aspects of human society. You were given birth by a couple of Bhutanese people of Nepali origin in the same society who have rich and distinct culture, language, tradition, faith, belief and worship, which are much more scientific and decent than your northern and ruling counterparts. I am sure your first words taught by your mother were Nepali words. The first religious and cultural activities you performed as every human being does was that of Nepali and Hindu. Your parents, you brothers and sisters, your kiths and kins, your friends and foes still uphold happily the culture, language etc. which belongs to this nationality. Bhutan govt also used the services of the people of Nepali origin in everyway they could in every field including their very security in the south. The official language they used was Nepali because they could not do with their undeveloped language with grammer stolen from Tibetan language. In this background that existed in the late 80s and early 90s, the Bhutanese govt led by the then serpant king Jigme singye wangchuk, decided overnight to evict and throw thousands people of Nepali origin who it labelled “Lhotshampas” collectively since long time back.
It was certainly our responsibility to be with those thrown out of the country as these were the people who had settled in south Bhutan since long long time ago. It was our responsibility to be with them as they were the ones who had been part of many activities which led Bhutan towards modernisation. They were the people who had safeguarded the tiny Himalayan nation from external threats.
The motive of the “ONE NATION ONE PEOPLE” brought by the then govt of Bhutan was to assimilate a large society of Nepali origin into that of the Drukpas forcefully with state sponsored national and international terrorism. Thanks to our elders and intellectuals and the madia, the issue was brought to the notice of the international community. A large society was saved from extinction. By being against the South Bhutanese, you are supporting the govt that is bent on eradicating a large society with distinct and rich parameters of religion, culture, etc, etc.So, how can you be a DEEPAK, when you are supporting the malicious propaganda of JIGME SNGYE WANGCHUK.
Mind you this is a crime of large magnitude. You know now the days of the feudal lords and feudalism are mostly limited to history. You can note your own beloved 5th King has changed in his puplic appearances. He says that he will serve the people as their own family member but not as the head of the feudal institution of Royal Family. He emphasises that any matter should be looked through the lens of simplicity. Note the language now. This is not something he brought by himself. This is the demand of the day. The rule of the majority is the order of the day.You 5th King educated in England seems to have cultivated the culture of Pluralism, democracy, human rights, and through all the individual rights “GROSS NATIONAL HAPPINESS” – an imposition of his father Jigme Singye.
We the south Bhutanese are not against the country, Bhutan. In fact many of us even though will not return there love it and offer our services at times of need especially if there is any external threats for its very existence. We still love the people of that country as they were our childhood friends. But we dont yield to imposition put by the govt forcefully with a malicious objective. Well for this we have already proved!
I have many many aspects to say, but I like to stop here for now and like people like Mr. Deepak to align yourself fit to embrace the 3rd millenium values of human society and discard the pamplets of the regressive policies of the old feudal institutions.
August 27th, 2010 at 3:26 am
I think Bhutan should wake up and look at thinks from a broader angle and reminiscent of the fact that we live in a modern world where things can be tested with scientific forensic tests of evidences. Whether people in the camps are Bhutanese or not does not have to be dictated by Bhutan. People hold the documents issued by the same system and signed by the Bhutanese Officials.
It is not necessary that we should believe Jigme Y Thinley who is hand picked by the previous King to rule the system that is still operated by remote control of the Palace and full knowledge and permission of the former King. The truth is that Bhutan used a highly biased census mechanism used to Southern Bhutanese by asking them to produce 15, 20 0r 30 year old documents but the rest of the Bhutanese population was not asked this as they are mongoloid, Drukpa and Buddhist. If the system had used the same uniform census tool to all Bhutanese more than half of the Drukpa population would be non-national over night the same way Southern Bhutanese were declared non-national and non-Bhutanese.
So the truth and the fact is that Bhutan had used all possible means to project Bhutan the way monarchy wanted it to be projected including writing of the Bhutan history book that are authored by people who were state guests and spend most of their time in the palace while writing the history books. Similarly, Bhutan had always bought the media in its side to write and project only one side of the story. A good testing ground for this fact is that all state sponsored and formal tourists are allowed to visit only the northern part of the country and they are not allowed or taken to Southern Bhutan historically. What you see of Bhutan is only Buddhist and Drukpa culture and places.
So the concept of Gross National Happiness is a projection of the same one side aspect of Bhutan. To understand the true meaning of Gross National Happiness people should travel to the remote villages in the east and south where people are really struggling for livelihood. What happiness you can expect in people’s lives when they are struggling for hand to mouth????
September 5th, 2010 at 2:20 am
Thinley, how dare u say that Bhuanese citizens of Nepali oriigins as’illegal immigrants”?We are here in Bhutan from early 16th century,about 300 years before the wangchuks started their kingship. Bhutan was then being ruled by Shabdrung.If we have to catagorise/decide who the recent settlers are-Ngalongs are the MOST RECENT SETTLERS IN BHUTAN.The ILLEGAL,INTRUDERS/IMMIGRANTS from Tibet They”re the minor community in Bhutan.Do you know when and from where did ngalong come to Bhutan?The Tibetans who fled off towards south during the Chinnese invasion on Tibet are these ngalongs.It is after 1850 A.D.Then they formed a militant group and attacked Shabdrung Regime.Due to intrigues and conspiracies they threw the good,staight and loyal ruler-Shabdrung and started kingship just in 1907 A.D.Now it is just 103 years.So this proves that Ngalongs are the most recent settlers in Bhutan.And Ngalongs are the International terrorists in Bhutan as the Tibetans fighting against China they came and attacked Bhutan because they had a little knowledge of warfare.
September 18th, 2010 at 3:42 am
Dear Lotus Flower :
Thanks for updating information on Bhutan’s develoment.
However, I do not appreciate your comments suggesting that Adhikaris, Rizals,Timisina, Sharmas are not welcome in Bhutan and that their mentality will never change no matter what country’s citizens they become.
May I please suggest you start looking at persons as humans only, not as Adhikaris, Rizals, Timisina or Sharmas.
I have some Adhikari, Rizal, Timisina and Sharma friends who are real nice people. They are Bhutanese refugees resettled here in the United States. I like them so much that I would do anything for them.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Deepak vegelantee of jigme, dont present ur onesided history in nepali mask. try to read the real history and write. history is fact about past and it must be based on truth. dont try to creat baseless history and sing the hymes of royal facist,tranny jigme to gain benefit
October 21st, 2010 at 2:13 am
Oops! shame on Bhutanese PM.How he(with no knowledge of history) was elected as the PM of Bhutan.Shocks for Bhutan.Advice:Try to keep your eye on History.
One reminder to all the commentators.writing comment does not mean to write conversation.So please try to be straight forward to the concern.Comment must be short and transparent to the point.
December 4th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Thank you, that wasvery interesting. I was born in Thailand in 1960s but my parents fled and came here in the UK. Honestly, I didnt really care much about my Thai heritage until my mum died recently, now I’ve been trying to find out as much as I possibly can. Seemed like food culture was as good a place as any to start ! Anyway, I found a thai food recipe site here that other readers might be interested in too.
February 21st, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Mr.Thinly I am very sorry for you. How can you became pm.Man first you read real history understand it and find what is fact.You don’t state this type of wait less words to make long.
March 13th, 2011 at 10:32 am
first of all, let me quote one of my fren from southeren bhutan said to me, ” i have 19 cows, if one dies, i will have 20″. all comments that you all have pasted here and the reason you all did that is just because you all are the puppets of the group of people who coined and use this proverb. if what ever JYT said is untrue and yours are the truth, then human right organisations and the UN could have successfully brought you people back with pride and dignity.
thanks to Tika Ram Adhikari for proving that he is a great liar. JYT is not handpicked by the king and he is elected by the bhutanese people. His landslide victory was live telecasted even by many international media. Contrary to what you people think, JYT got the full support from the south and east and lost two places in the north and west. y to make baseless allegations by saying that southeren bhutanese are non nationals, the world can see that, the southern bhutanese are nationals and they are still here. they represent bhutan at all ranks.
Lastly i also agree that some people might be commenting under nepali mask, if so dont do that, its a refugee mask and its dirty. any body can comment using their real name BUT it is alo wrong to think that southern bhutanese will not comment against those refugee’s comments.
March 13th, 2011 at 11:24 am
TO Meera:
the differences between haves and have not is widening in Nepal, ur idol country. there was this difference in bhutan before but now its reducing. All of you refugee commentators including tsirangay(wearing bhutanese mask) are proving that ur fellow refugee commentators are lying. Eg. JB Subedi says that ethnic nepalis settled ibn bhutan in 1616 but meera fooled him and wrote that the ethnic nepalese were invited by the First king. Thats the same case that happened in southeren Bhutan in 1990s. one nepali protested against the govt and another killed his fellow nepali for not supporting. If JYT and the king should face international court for not respecting human rights, then you refugees should be brought back to face court case for killing many southern bhutanese.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:20 am
GNH is a key point to read the happiness in Bhutan nowonwards.We will soon know how GNH is possible with no fundamental rights, Isolation, no objection certificate (NOC) requirements, no cultural freedom, no freedom for study of native languages and so on.
It is not that difficult to understand the cunning way of governing the country to infused fake idea of democracy to the world. Also how long the world historians, scholars and intellectuals keep on with the ideas of such fooldom.
March 23rd, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Patriots! Deepak’s MA stands for Married Again and not Master of Arts. There must be a falsified history of Bhutan he studied. If he really studied the subject the true records would be reflected in his writings.
March 23rd, 2011 at 10:54 pm
If a journalist interviewed Jigme Y Thinley, at his home as a common man he would give a completely different version on the Bhutanese refugees. Only common people know the truth, government officials are MAed to lie.
March 26th, 2011 at 8:35 am
i really respect bhutan government and king of bhutan jigme geyshar namgya.Some crazy people coming from Nepal they are making political party use to in bhutan.then Bhutan government kick out crazy people, i m so happy for that
April 19th, 2011 at 4:13 am
I do love all arguments. I do love the HMs Wangchuk Kings, the honorable ministers, dzongdas, honorable citizens, students of Bhutan, teachers, gups, chimis, mandals, karbaris,tshogpas, apas, amas, magmis, chumas, and beloved Bhutanese citizens.I dearly love Lynpo Dago Tshering, Gup Sonam, Dzongda Lhakpa Dorji (who mistakenly took the life of a monk in Mongar),and more on the list from the Druk.
I love the land because I was born and brought up and partly educated there. The same govt.spent money on me without discrimination.I am very much grateful.Today I am surviving in America because of that education and awareness.I reached USA after I was proven a Bhutanese refugee by my documents issued by the Royal Govt.I was eligible for settlement because neither I suppressed any Bhutanese, nor I part took in Garganda episode nor I fought in Nepal.When I compare the past and present scenario of Bhutan, Nepal, India and USA, I am finding many things common: we all need to be polite, follow laws and regulations, pay money every where, work and earn, laugh, smile, get frustrated or jubilant,etc.etc.
Back in Bhutan: all the same.The mountains, hills and people as pure and unchanged as they were 20 years ago. The street dogs, cows, vendors,trucks, cars and pedestrians all share the same environments.Love of the people for each other is the same.I do not see lhotsampas, Ngalongs or Tsanglas getting into conflict just because each one understands the other.
Then, what is wrong? our vision, ego, negative attributes,or literate blindness?
I am in exile.So what? I am respected,supported, cared, protected,etc.etc. I am world’s citizen. I explore more opportunities than a geographically confined fellow citizen. I decide my destiny as we do ours.
I appeal exiled green card and citizen certificate holders to respect the Bhutanese inside and outside the country. We should thank Gods: Buddha,Christ, Krishna and Shiva because if we were repatriated, we might need to choose gun culture as this is what is in south asia now.
We need to appreciate PM Thinly’s views to categorize us non-citizens of Bhutan for several reasons;
1.His govt. amended the citizenship Act several times to make us non-citizens.
2.No census with strict documentary evidence is held in the north because hardly anyone has documents with them.Reason: no one gave them documents because a true citizen does not need a paper to prove his nationality.Most of them know the history of Bhutan formation as a kingdom than do our rulers.
3.No one has asked Thinley and his cabinet to prove their certificate of origin.
4.No one has asked our King’s maternal uncles and grandmas to produce their Bhutanese documents because they are now in Bhutan and can show any documents including hospital bill, grosery bill and many more bills. If you ask them about Kalimpong, they will show all documents because it was Bhutan once upon a time.
5.The Govt.’s law is applied to southerners only because we demanded rights more than the northers.
6. Next, a farmer/peasant in kengkhar, Thangrung, Kheng, Shingkarlauri, Sakten, Challi, Lunana, Gasa, etc. is poorer than a Lhotsampas. But these peasants never demanded any rights.Why? because if they were made non-citizens, they have no where to go.But we Nepali speakers took advantage of our language and complexions to fight the tide.
7. We southerners are quick to criticize others. Eg, we argue that Bhutan govt.did not permit us respectand practize our culture and custom.My question: how many of us did preserve our culture in a free camps in Nepal and now in USA? We love to imitate what others do.
8.If Bhutan negotiates with develop countries, most Bhutanese especially educated and young would love to taste the environments of Europe and America. But in a present situation, they are bound to serve in the country and her beloved citizens.Meaning, our choices and sentiments are similar.
9.A diplomat has to support his govt.’s stand.So did Thinly.If you were in his legs, you and I would do the same.
Conclusion:
Do not argue with the people inside Bhutan.Let them have a life of their own.If we do not bother them, they will have no time to bother us.Next, any citizen gets hurt when his/her country and govt. are undermined.for eg., I do not want someone undermined USA and her allies because I am her citizen-to- be.Remember, US citizen! So, why we and I bother about Bhutan and Bhutanese anymore?
I do not see logic.I do not see that we exercise our intellects here.
But let us learn to love each Bhutanese in Bhutan, India, Europe, Australia,Canada and Nepal because let us not be the fools to be fooled by someone’s political division on us.We know we all are victims of a political concept;
fear of rulers that Bhutan can be next sikkim if Nepali population outdo others ,and that India might play the same game as in Sikkim to make Bhutan share the tricolor symbol,
fear that China might step south if political instability hit Bhutan for long.
I wrote what I thought.Sorry for that.
Love you all with tashi melam
Bhai Sharma,USA
June 24th, 2011 at 8:50 am
What ever Mr. Jigme has commented is wrong . He knows better but hides as he has to save his chair.
June 24th, 2011 at 9:25 am
This what Mr. Jigme honestly deserved one day :
Mr. thinley you have no right to tell that only refugee are illegal immigrants . First off all you must see your forefather from where they come to our land .If iam not mistake your father enter Bhutan from BOmdila Arunachal pardesh. still you have your relatives in Arunachal pardesh. Dear thinley keep it in your mind that if real democracy will prevail in Bhutan i will be a person to make you quit Bhutan.
December 26th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Pasang T. Gyembo,
What i have heard is totally different (ie) one of my friend who was a nothern bhutanese. He told me you have 19 cows if one dies you will have 18 cows but i will get one free of cost. I asked why? my friend replied “well SB never sell dead animals but we devour it, that’s all simple”.